Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Dialogue with our Modern Nazarene Brothers and Sisters?

I must say I have enjoyed our ongoing conversations both on and off our blog. It’s not just our blog, but our contributors blogs, and various other sister blogs that are generating the same kind of conversation. Conversations are taking place in our local churches, our district offices, Nazarene headquarters, and our educational institutions. We did not start the conversation, it has a life of its own and it would be impossible to track where this conversation is going.

The conversation is beginning to penetrate our denomination and Nazarenes are beginning to take notice of the Emergent movement. A District Superintendent speaking at a Nazarene conference just this last weekend used material found on this blog and blogs of our contributors when talking about reaching a post modern generation. Nazarene Professors at NTS are exploring the movement and have expressed interest in taking part in the conversation. NTS itself is having a Conversation on Missional Leaders in an Emerging Culture at the end of October. The M7 conference (Mid-Quadrennial Conference on Missions & Evangelism) will be held in Kansas City in February and will have some workshops with an emphasis on the “emergent” movement. There are even several books in the work by NPH on the Emergent Church and its implications in the Church of the Nazarene. The conversation is entering the mainstream, but with various responses.

One response has been to embrace us and our perspective. Even if we are only embraced impart, there are leaders and laity alike in the Church of the Nazarene that are listening and are productively participating in the dialogue. I personally am on a district where this is happening from district leaders down to church members. I hear from friends of mine that mainstream Nazarene leaders are becoming more receptive in some of their circles as well. I think these are great signs for positive change and for the future of Nazarenes.

The opposite response is one that we may be most familiar with; we are responded to like a threat. When paradigms are being challenged that so many people have grown dependent on there is bound to be resistance. Most people don’t want to deconstruct because they fear that if you question things too hard their faith will crumble like a house of cards.

We have been called heretics, worldly, relativist and liberals as a way to condemn us and our values. And all I can think of when this happens is that this is our opportunity to love those who would call us their enemy. My suggestion for all of us is that we would give love, grace and mercy at all times so that Christ can be glorified.

From time to time we have Nazarenes comment on our blog who think that somehow we are a threat to holiness and treat us like we have horns and carry a pitch fork. These people attack with all kinds of condemnation because of how they misunderstand our message. I have to admit that I have been very pleased with how our community has responded to this kind of thing and I want to encourage us to continue to model a higher standard of holiness that can be exemplified in how we respond in love.

The third response I think is common by our denomination in regards to the emergent movement is to create a Nazarene Brand out of it and market it. The emergent movement has been called a fad, and if it is reeducated to worship styles and postmodern lingo then it will only be a fad.

Part of the problem with being accepted by the mainstream church is that many are tempted to assimilate it like the borg, create a system to reproduce it like widgets in an assembly line, or water it down to make it more palatable. To some degree the mainstream church will try to tame and domesticate the emergent movement and the movement would lose its teeth when it comes to really pushing for reform, and the rethinking of mental models.

I am not saying that we shouldn’t allow ourselves to be embraced by the mainstream church, or that we shouldn’t continue to foster a growing conversation with our modern church parents. I just think we need to be careful that our issues aren’t lost when we are embraced on only superficial levels. Of course being embraced on a superficial level is a start and so I think we should build on that and continue to pursue even deeper conversation.

Real conversation is taking place and how we participate in it will make all the difference in the world. Sometimes people may be uncomfortable if our questioning shakes what they had assumed was stable ground beneath them. They may be threatened if they have built a life upon mental models that we want to deconstruct. I don’t think this is a bad thing, but I do think we should be sensitive, loving and full of grace as we go. I also think we need to model listening and humility even if we do not get it in return. Some people may want to use the emergent movement for opportunistic reasons and dilute the message with the hype of creating emergent franchises; so we should stand firm with the real issues and not get caught up in the hype that reduces what we value to style and programs. Many however are genuinely listening and joining the conversation and this is the most exciting thing. This is an interesting time now that modern Nazarenes are beginning to join our conversation; I am curious to where this all will go.

James

24 comments:

Jerry said...

Its great to see people approaching the missional and emerging topics from a denominational point of view.

I'll be praying God helps you to be a part of conversations that lead to change.

Urban Monk said...

Those that call us names and question our ideas, they do so because "they hate our freedom."

Just kidding, really, I couldn't resist.

Good post James. Even more than doing things in love, with sensitivity, grace, and humility in response to those that react defensively, these are really the virtues Jesus leads us into. It's so easy for our holiness to become holier-than-thou-ness.

No humility, no holiness.

Joni B. said...

Very good post, very good descriptions of the opinions that are currently seen in the denomination.

I agree with UrbanMonk, humility is the key to the Christian life. Even in an emergent context, a good conversation will quickly turn sour without humility on all sides. I think it is important for those in all different philosophies of faith to remember the purpose of Christianity. The only "right" way to be a Christian is to love Christ, draw near to him, and share him with the lost. All the rest (modern, postmodern, emergent, traditional, etc.) is just a side note.

Josh Fitzpatrick said...

I completely agree and am encouraged by the conversation that is taking place. Three months ago I was a Nazarene seriously reconsidering my denominational upbringing. However, after finding myself within this conversational network on this thing we call the "world-wide-web" I have been SO uplifted in knowing that I'm not the only Nazarene with these questions and new/old perspectives. Thanks for being so open about questioning the "norm" and the struggles that come with that. It has definitely given me a brand new outlook on the possibilites of being a Nazarene and also having a fresh perspective on the church.

Thanks again,
Josh

greg said...

I have been encouraged about the COTN, but mainly because I have found other brothers and sisters like yourself who I can identify with. I have been hesitant to participate in anything run or sponsored by HQ because everything like that I have ever seen has been very product oriented. Here is a program that works, go and do likewise. Even as I have seen worship services pop up around the denomination, they have often just been copycats of services found elsewhere. We can learn from each other, but the point is to create a community that is actually birthed out of your own context. Thanks for all who engage in this and other conversations, and for you who are exploring new ideas and new ways to engage our world. If people see us as a threat, I can dig that, in some ways we are. We are a threat to status quo and church as it has always been done. But, I think those who understand will see us as the new vanguards of holiness for the next generation.

Keep Rockin-
Greg

Anthony Livolsi said...

While recently browsing around various Emergent e-newtorks, i began to grow rather uneasy when confronted by the increasing commodification/popularization of the movement. I fear that in a society as chronically obsessed with "the new" as it is utterly exhausted by the pressures to persistently pump out said novelty, the only true means of creative expression (whether intellectual, artistic, or here theological) will ironically involve a re-traditioning of the past. In this way, "the old" alone will provide fodder viable enough for the creation of a "new new." And this is great, except for that inevitable day when our Emergent "smells and bells" grow passe.

I think what we are seeing here is the convergence of two movements which, though singleminded in advancing ancient-future liturgical praxis, differ in their philosophical ability to sustain such worship over the long haul. Some will embrace hymns, candles, incense, and icons because re-appropriating such historical media makes good pragmatic sense in a new postmodern milieu; when times change, cultures change, and people change, however, i suspect these faddish followers will feel little shame in casting Emergent elements of worship to the wayside.

Others, though, do not consider ancient-future components of the Emergent Church to be ostensibly Emergent; they see them, rather, as faithful Christian practices which have nurtured various veins of the Church for millenia. Regardless of whatever else it may come to mean in popular ecclesial culture, for some of us, emerging is not a fundamentally faddish activity; it is, rather, a reclamation of that which is rightfully ours, namely a catholic solidarity with such a great cloud of witnesses.

My hope is that we would take great pains in safeguarding the historical and theological integrity of the Emergent Church, so that when the mainstream moves on, we can clearly and soundly articulate why it is we have not.

--Living La Vida Point Loma

Urban Monk said...

Anthony,
Thanks for the very intriguing comment. I’m going to chew on it some more but here is an initial thought. Hopefully others will comment. I think you are articulating well a concern or issue that many voices within the "emerging" church have brought to the conversation lately. Besides the presence of Emergent Village (which is more fully and organizational structure where emerging church folks to rub shoulders) and the attempts by publishers and denominational leaders to jump on the band wagon, most of us are simply Christians attempting to be church in this late/post modern environment.

I think there may even be more than two streams as you suggest. And I'm not sure how much theological integrity the emerging church has yet. I'm not saying that emerging churches are heterodox. I am saying no solid theological synthesis yet exists that binds together emerging churches. My sense is that we are mostly people who have said "I'm done hugging the harbor, let's set off into the deep." The church is experimenting and you are right to note that when it all shakes out some will just move on.

Saying all that, I pray that you are correct that what is really happening is the Spirit is moving within the church to regain a visible and actual catholicity (I do not mean Roman here). To that end, during this transitional age it is really critical that we continue to ask ourselves, "What does it mean to confess that the church is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic?"

Peace,
Brian

Scott Savage said...

In thinking about energent hurch people, I tend to divine between those who plunder the resources of the Church because it's the "cool thing to do" and those who plunder out a desire for theological consistency with the communion of the saints who have handed on the faith to us. Maybe better said, a desire to be catholic (small c). I know that needs to be unpacked. For now, it will have to suffice.

Peace,
Scott

Anthony Livolsi said...

Thanks, Brian...

This may not be an issue for others, but since I find myself drawn deeply into a sacramental ecclesiology (through the like of Schmemman, Cavanaugh, even Hauerwas to an extent), the Emergent Church represents to me a step towards retrieving the beauty and truth of that Christian tradition.

i guess I can boil down my reservations like so, and sort of piggyback off your final question at the same time:

Can we have one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Orthopraxis without one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Orthodoxy?

Ha... I don't even know if that makes sense outside my own head!

Anthony Livolsi said...

Thanks, Brian...

This may not be an issue for others, but since I find myself drawn deeply into a sacramental ecclesiology (through the like of Schmemman, Cavanaugh, even Hauerwas to an extent), the Emergent Church represents to me a step towards retrieving the beauty and truth of that Christian tradition.

i guess I can boil down my reservations like so, and sort of piggyback off your final question at the same time:

Can we have one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Orthopraxis without one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Orthodoxy?

Ha... I don't even know if that makes sense outside my own head!

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Jeff B. said...

I just wanted to make a more pessimistic take on the Nazarene's denominational embrace of the Emergent Type. The original post and some of the subsequent comments skirted around the subject, but I see the main danger to a genuine embrace of the Emergent Nazarene is Evangelism/Church Growth.

The denominational use of branding was mentioned and embracing get-big-quick fads. Well this all flows out of the Evangelism and Church Growth Department of the denomination.

If this is to be an honest and genuine embrace by the denomination, all those involved should beware of letting this Department become too involved in the discussion. Maybe that is not possible. Maybe the Evangelism/Church Growth machine will just suck up Emergent voices, sanitize and then package the product for mass distribution. If that is the case, I'm afraid the denomination will have stolen the shell and redefined the identity of Emergent Nazarenes, to the point that it would be unrecognizable to us.

Proceed with caution.

Ken Balch said...

I concur. I mostly like to listen to these conversations rather than comment holding to the biblical principle..."even a fool is thought wise if he keeps his mouth shut." However Jeff's caution really resonates with my own concerns. I think that the general church headquarters’ apparatus is driven by a culture of "institutional preservation", read Kennon Callahan's book, The Future that has Come for a description of that. This type of mindset creates the perception of the need to control everything to keep the institution from dying. The efforts to repackage effective non-nazarene ministries and re-brand them for the safe consumption (and control by HQ personnel) of the average believer is driven by the best of intentions. But that is what the proverbial "road to hell" is also paved with. I'm pessimistic by nature but I've met HQ employed people who give me reason to hope. They are generous spirited emergent-type people who may very well be the salt and light and yeast to the HQ community that may help bring about some Kingdom like changes even in Kansas City. Unless of course they get replaced by pod people like everyone else who has ever gone to work at headquarters and they start spouting of nazarene nonsense and start wearing long pants and/or gender appropriate skirts and ties to meetings and staring right through you like stepford wives and lose all of their distinct creativity which is what made them such good leaders in the first place and end up living out their days as Borg-like drones of whoever is exactly responsible for all of the closed system culture and soul crushing bureaucracy at HQ in KCMO. Anyway, what I mean is, the department of evangelism and church growth isn't populated by evil people. They are more like desperate people who keep trying doing the same things over and over again with fresh coats of paint hoping that this next effort will produce different results. The changes the world needs will have to come from us. Oh yeah, and as a matter of principle I throw "GROW" magazine directly in the trash when it comes in the mail without even taking off the plastic wrapper. So maybe I'm cynical as well as pessimistic.

Houston Thomas said...

Maybe the emergent movement should consider what it says about their movement that it is even possible for a denominational Headquarters to have the ability to package it. Or, more inquisitively, why does the emergent movement lend itself toward delineation?

I think it means that the difference between the seeker-sensitive movement and the emergent movement is negligible. They are both an (over)reaction to mainstream Church stuff.

Replace 'purpose-driven' with 'E.P.I.C'.

Sadly, the 'Emergent' movement is starting to emerge into a conglomeration more concerned with what it is not that what it is. The same exact thing happened with the seeker-sensitive movement.

I say this as one who 15 years ago found myself 'dialoging' with the Terra Nova project.

A true 'postmodern' movement in the church would be so inexplicably multivocal that any attempt toward definition would be obviously absurd.

Houston Thomas said...

Maybe the emergent movement should consider what it says about their movement that it is even possible for a denominational Headquarters to have the ability to package it. Or, more inquisitively, why does the emergent movement lend itself toward delineation?

I think it means that the difference between the seeker-sensitive movement and the emergent movement is negligible. They are both an (over)reaction to mainstream Church stuff.

Replace 'purpose-driven' with 'E.P.I.C'.

Sadly, the 'Emergent' movement is starting to emerge into a conglomeration more concerned with what it is not that what it is. The same exact thing happened with the seeker-sensitive movement.

I say this as one who 15 years ago found myself 'dialoging' with the Terra Nova project.

A true 'postmodern' movement in the church would be so inexplicably multivocal that any attempt toward definition would be obviously absurd.

(Sorry if this double-posts; I'm old)

James Diggs said...

Houston,

I think you ask a fair question, but I am not sure I agree with you that mainstream and denominational efforts to delineate the emergent movement is because the movement is lending itself to this. I think that denominational desire to define, systematize, and package the emergent movement comes from within the genetic make up of most denominations in our country that were either founded in or significantly reshaped by modernity.

In reality, the reason many of us are so leery of the “packaging” of the emergent movement is because it can’t really be done. What gets packaged and programmed is nothing but a superficial imitation that misses the point. This is very evident in the packaging of “emergent worship” which more tracks with “ancient/future” style of worship. While ancient/future worship does seem to be attractive to post moderns the emergent movement really can not be reduced to worship style.

This is where I think the emergent movement goes beyond the “seeker sensitive” movement. The seeker sensitive movement was about a particular style for worship services. I can see some correlation between these movements, but the emergent movement seems to go beyond just asking how to best accommodate the seeker in a worship service and asks what does it mean to be a disciple of Christ in today’s world?

I don’t think that the emergent movement is an overreaction to the mainstream church in the context of the coming of a cultural shift of post modernity. I would agree that as pendulums swing the momentum often carries things to a point of being overstated. With that said I think that to a great degree post modernity is an indictment on the overstated modern lens that has monopolized the view of Christianity and the Church in the modern age. Becoming more aware of how our cultural and historical bias in our modern and western world has tainted our view of Christianity is not an over reaction. Unfortunately the momentum necessary to move a modern church that was comfortably at rest into a post modern world will make it difficult to slow down when it reaches a point where neither modernity or post-modernity is overstated.

Houston, I agree with you that “A true 'postmodern' movement in the church would be so inexplicably multivocal that any attempt toward definition would be obviously absurd.” I think this is largely true of the movement and is what frustrates so many moderns when emergent’s refuse to nail them selves down and define themselves and what they believe in these kind of terms.

Because it is so difficult to describe is one reason things are often overstated or even understated. I think the line between modern and post modern is subtle and blurred and in many ways post-modernity will never escape modernity. The term “post”-modern is kind of a misnomer in the sense that though it comes after modern it falsely implies that it leaves modernity completely behind. However, whether it is something new all together or just a course correction some kind of transitioning period is taking place. The progression from what we were to what we will be is so slow and natural that it is difficult to define and put our figure on.

All this to say that emergent movement is about rethinking mental models of how we view our faith and the world. I don’t think we can package this as anything; all we can do is take part in the dialogue and the journey with one another. No doubt people are beginning to sell worship style and church growth strategies as “emergent” but these things clearly fall short of getting involved in real conversation and reduces things to yet again another modern formula.

James

(Thanks for posting twice- many of us are young and you might need to repeat yourself before we can soak it in. :)

Urban Monk said...

I just want to point out that I saw Ken Balch in a tie this week and he's married to a stepford wife. :-)

I'm trying to picture that "borg-like drone" Ken you help me out with a cartoon drawing?

Urban Monk said...

Anthony,
I think Cavanaugh and Hauerwas would argue for a one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Orthopraxis. Would you want to flip your question around I wonder? Of course the church's life and belief are inseparable.

I have a big question for emerging/postmodern Christians that find new life and breathing room. This question could be asked of both groups you described in your original e-mail. "Do you love the poor?" "Are you in solitary with those on the margins?" "Do you find yourself welcoming into your presence those the world labels as worthless, unlovely, and unwanted?" OK that's more than one question.

My point is (and I think it's consistent with thought you might find in Cananaugh's, “Torture and Eucharist,” when he talks about performing the Body of Christ), any reorganization of ecclesial orthopraxis, or orthodoxy is folly when the church does not follow the crucified Lord to the deepest and darkest of hells on earth.

This may only make sense in my head. Whether it is sacramental renewal, ancient-future worship, packaged or unpackaged emergent, unless it draws us more deeply into the imatatio christi, who cares?

Anthony Livolsi said...

Amen.

Scott Savage said...

Brian,

You words sing to my soul! I find myself shoved and dragged (at the same time!) to love the poor. I am so determined by this world and yet as easter blows I become more and more unlike it than I ever thought possible. And why? Because I dine with Christ and His Church. Thanks be to God for the gift of His Son in His Church. Amen.

Scott

Philip Allred said...

Thank You Urban Monk and Others!

I feel that the "emergent movement" is only the top of the Iceberg! We are Most Definitely living in a POST- PROTESTANT world where we are moving toward a movement of One Church! This is not to say that there will be one denomination or one movement. But gone is the day when we will say (with any validity) that "OUR" way of doing church is better than "THERE" way! With That said, the question has to be raised where are we going?

That’s where the Kingdom of God comes in! The Kingdom of God is SO different than any human structure. It is run by the least, the meek, the poor, and the sinner. It revolts not against a certain people group that has been vilified, but calls all men and women to join and be changed. It is a wake up call to the Jewish people of 2nd temple Judaism and a wake up call for complaisant western American consumerist church of today. It looks nothing like any other man made governmental structure and I think that is why the church has always had hard time staying true to the kingdom. Because as denominations grow they take on the shape of the governmental structure of there time; from the Catholic- Monarchy to the Nazarene- democratic republic! So what is our answer? Is it the emerging church? Not completely, we must not conform to this world. (Even if we think we are fleeing from it!) But we also must be ready to speak the revolutionary voice of the kingdom: social corruption must end, the hurting must be comforted, the terrorist must be loved, the rich must give to the poor, and we should all take up our cross and follow Christ!

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Dean G. Blevins said...

FYI, At the risk of being accused of shameless self promotion...NTS continues trying to serve as a conversation partner in this movement. This summer we will have two classes that address both missional ministry and emergent theology. May 21-25 provides the beginning of a hybrid course (part face to face, part online) addressing Missional Leadership and Discipleship (you can see more at the NTS website http://www.nts.edu/missional-leadership-discipleship-hybrid)and June 11-22 President Ron Benefiel hosts a class on Readings in Emergent Church Theology. Again, I offer this less as an advertisement (though we would love to have some of you participating) but more as evidence of NTS's ongoing interest in ministry in a postmodern culture.
Dean Blevins

Josh said...

Speaking of dialoging with our Modern Nazarene brothers and sisters, my friend David Brush (a contributor here) and I were discussing this issue last week. We are both pretty frustrated with the proof-texting in THE MANUAL. Sometimes it feels as if someone was just sitting there with a Strong's Concordance looking up key words.
This led us to a bigger issue. We have major concerns with THE MANUAL as a whole and with many of the core structural components of the COTN. We love the church, but we have major complaints.
We both feel like the COTN needs to undergo major revision in nearly all quarters, but particularly theology, polity, and structure. The big question is: How do we (and those like minded) call for this?

We also feel the need to find a mechanism to get this conversation into the mainstream of the Church of the Nazarene. I, for one, feel like such strong (and loving) critique is needed that a parallel publishing mechanism will be needed. We need something that operates as a friend of the COTN but outside the organizational structure of the COTN. We might want to publish books, magazines, or e-zines. We might want to host conferences or web-inars. I'm not sure exactly what we need to do, but we need to find a way to voice major concerns and raise issues that would be considered extremely taboo without concern of suffering ecclesial censorship or punishment.
I am very interested in hearing the opinions of other folks out there. As a pastor, I often feel frustrated with my disagreements with the Church of the Nazarene. I feel like I am without a voice for change or an outlet for expression. Sure I can preach, but my people are mostly unaware of the issues of the COTN (since most of them are not Nazarene-ish) and/or have even less systemic power than I do. How do the rest of you out there deal with this tension? What do you want to do next?

-- I guess one way I could participate here is to become a contributor on this blog. How do I go about that?